Jack talks with Gord! designer of Santorini and the brain behind Math Pickle. Gordon talks about his proudest achievements in life, the importance of mathematics AND gaming in a child's education, and the long and storied history of Santorini coming into publication. This episode wraps up my coverage of Dice Tower Con 2017. Special thanks to Chris Douglas and The Death Force for their instrumental track "Barbecue Rag" to exit the show. You can find our review of La Granja: No Siesta here - http://www.cardboardherald.com/reviews/2017/8/3/la-granja-no-siesta-a-pen-paper-pig-allocation-simulator